Comments on: THE CURTAIN CALL CONTROVERSY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://danabrand.com/blog/2008/04/29/the-curtain-call-controversy/ The blog that goes with metsfanbook.com Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:49:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Administrator http://danabrand.com/blog/2008/04/29/the-curtain-call-controversy/#comment-33523 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:16:13 +0000 http://danabrand.com/blog/2008/04/29/the-curtain-call-controversy/#comment-33523 Anthony. Mike and the Mad Dog will never admit they're wrong about anything. And if they do, they will put the spotlight on how big they are to admit they're wrong, which isn't really admitting you're wrong. The tough part of playing in New York is not dealing with the fans. It is dealing with the way in which certain members of the media try to provoke the fans. If a provocation doesn't work, as this one didn't, they just shrug and move on to the next molehill they can try to turn into a mountain. It has nothing to do with the Mets and with the loyalty of millions. It has to do with selling ad space. Anthony. Mike and the Mad Dog will never admit they’re wrong about anything. And if they do, they will put the spotlight on how big they are to admit they’re wrong, which isn’t really admitting you’re wrong. The tough part of playing in New York is not dealing with the fans. It is dealing with the way in which certain members of the media try to provoke the fans. If a provocation doesn’t work, as this one didn’t, they just shrug and move on to the next molehill they can try to turn into a mountain. It has nothing to do with the Mets and with the loyalty of millions. It has to do with selling ad space.

]]> by: Anthony http://danabrand.com/blog/2008/04/29/the-curtain-call-controversy/#comment-33510 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:30:25 +0000 http://danabrand.com/blog/2008/04/29/the-curtain-call-controversy/#comment-33510 I was so happy to see what happened in last night's game. Not only did we get the win off of a David Wright walk-off grand-slam-single, but Carlos Delgado was greeted to CHEERS for his first at-bat. Granted, he would later be booed for striking out (big surprise there), but I was happy to see that the fans held no grudge for the whole curtain call fiasco. I was so furious the other day listening to Mike and the Mad Dog tee-off on this issue and totally blow it out of proportion. Francesa suggested that Delgado would be run out of town by the fans. I wonder now if, for the first time in his life, he'll admit that he was wrong. I really can't stand those two sometimes. After listening to their absurd rant two days ago, I had to go and read your book chapter on them, Dana. I was so happy to see what happened in last night’s game. Not only did we get the win off of a David Wright walk-off grand-slam-single, but Carlos Delgado was greeted to CHEERS for his first at-bat. Granted, he would later be booed for striking out (big surprise there), but I was happy to see that the fans held no grudge for the whole curtain call fiasco. I was so furious the other day listening to Mike and the Mad Dog tee-off on this issue and totally blow it out of proportion. Francesa suggested that Delgado would be run out of town by the fans. I wonder now if, for the first time in his life, he’ll admit that he was wrong. I really can’t stand those two sometimes. After listening to their absurd rant two days ago, I had to go and read your book chapter on them, Dana.

]]> by: Administrator http://danabrand.com/blog/2008/04/29/the-curtain-call-controversy/#comment-33500 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:35:43 +0000 http://danabrand.com/blog/2008/04/29/the-curtain-call-controversy/#comment-33500 I agree. If you're on the Mets you would have to do one of the following things in order to get a boo out of me: 1) Say or do something truly shameful 2) Express unambiguous contempt for your team or its fans or our city 3) Do something on the field that indicates that you have decided not even to try to help your team. I'm talking about a genuine and unmistakeable lack of effort, not merely poor play. As I guess many of you know, I have a whole piece about Booing in my book, as well as a whole piece about Curtain Calls. I agree.

If you’re on the Mets you would have to do one of the following things in order to get a boo out of me:

1) Say or do something truly shameful
2) Express unambiguous contempt for your team or its fans or our city
3) Do something on the field that indicates that you have decided not even to try to help your team. I’m talking about a genuine and unmistakeable lack of effort, not merely poor play.

As I guess many of you know, I have a whole piece about Booing in my book, as well as a whole piece about Curtain Calls.

]]> by: Chris in Virginia http://danabrand.com/blog/2008/04/29/the-curtain-call-controversy/#comment-33492 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:35:59 +0000 http://danabrand.com/blog/2008/04/29/the-curtain-call-controversy/#comment-33492 The only time I think booing your own team is warranted is when a player doesn't hustle and shows disrespect for the game, its traditions, and the fans, who ultimately make the players' garguantan paychecks possible. Boneheaded showboating is also boo-worthy--think of Timo Perez bouncing slowly towards 2nd base, admiring Todd Pratt's homerun...only it wasn't, and a potential big inning in Game One of the World Series was squandered. I'm still bitter about that. But booing because a guy's in a slump? No. No, and Hell No. That's just chump behavior, and I hate when I see and hear it from Mets fans. The only time I think booing your own team is warranted is when a player doesn’t hustle and shows disrespect for the game, its traditions, and the fans, who ultimately make the players’ garguantan paychecks possible.

Boneheaded showboating is also boo-worthy–think of Timo Perez bouncing slowly towards 2nd base, admiring Todd Pratt’s homerun…only it wasn’t, and a potential big inning in Game One of the World Series was squandered. I’m still bitter about that.

But booing because a guy’s in a slump?

No.

No, and Hell No. That’s just chump behavior, and I hate when I see and hear it from Mets fans.

]]> by: Theresa http://danabrand.com/blog/2008/04/29/the-curtain-call-controversy/#comment-33491 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:55:32 +0000 http://danabrand.com/blog/2008/04/29/the-curtain-call-controversy/#comment-33491 If that's truly the mindset, Anthony-- and I'm not convinced that that much thought goes into it-- well, then it's interesting that this is how class warfare expresses itself in this country. Oy vey! If that’s truly the mindset, Anthony– and I’m not convinced that that much thought goes into it– well, then it’s interesting that this is how class warfare expresses itself in this country. Oy vey!

]]> by: Anthony http://danabrand.com/blog/2008/04/29/the-curtain-call-controversy/#comment-33490 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:49:53 +0000 http://danabrand.com/blog/2008/04/29/the-curtain-call-controversy/#comment-33490 I basically agree with Theresa. I, for one, never boo. I do find it classess. But I understand the following argument: I'm a hard-working middle class guy who pays good hard-earned money to go to these games, and I'm not going to stand for a player who makes 16 million dollars and goes out there and dogs it. Delgado is hitting under .200 and makes errors while playing first base. I have the right to boo him. I understand that argument. But the booing at Shea this season has been absurdly out of hand. I basically agree with Theresa. I, for one, never boo. I do find it classess. But I understand the following argument:

I’m a hard-working middle class guy who pays good hard-earned money to go to these games, and I’m not going to stand for a player who makes 16 million dollars and goes out there and dogs it. Delgado is hitting under .200 and makes errors while playing first base. I have the right to boo him.

I understand that argument. But the booing at Shea this season has been absurdly out of hand.

]]> by: Theresa http://danabrand.com/blog/2008/04/29/the-curtain-call-controversy/#comment-33484 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:16:29 +0000 http://danabrand.com/blog/2008/04/29/the-curtain-call-controversy/#comment-33484 Do we really need to spend an entire day debating about whether Carlos Delgado INSULTED us, when there is nothing in the man’s character or past performance that would suggest that he would have wanted to INSULT us? NO. This is one of those Net acronyms I try very hard to avoid, but will all you pot-stirrers (Obviously not you, Dana) STFU already??? I am still mind-blowed about the booing. Dana, you and others have pointed out to me the differences between the good old "boys of summer" days and now. But I still think booing your own team borders on thuggish. And people are on MetsBlog making lists of reasons why they feel entitled to boo . But what is the utility outside of self-expression? Has it ever helped a players performance? It never reflects <i>well</i> on a group of fans-- it <i>always</i> make them look like a bunch of yahoos. Do we really need to spend an entire day debating about whether Carlos Delgado INSULTED us, when there is nothing in the man’s character or past performance that would suggest that he would have wanted to INSULT us?

NO. This is one of those Net acronyms I try very hard to avoid, but will all you pot-stirrers (Obviously not you, Dana) STFU already???

I am still mind-blowed about the booing. Dana, you and others have pointed out to me the differences between the good old “boys of summer” days and now. But I still think booing your own team borders on thuggish. And people are on MetsBlog making lists of reasons why they feel entitled to boo .

But what is the utility outside of self-expression? Has it ever helped a players performance? It never reflects well on a group of fans– it always make them look like a bunch of yahoos.

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